a cesspool of commenters who are incapable of being civil and who litter the landscape with profanity, porn, and other jackassery

In honor of this comment left on Dalrock’s blog by ZippyCatholic I am changing the name of my blog, temporarily to A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy.

Previously, it had been styled “There Is No Game” which is a Matrix reference. The concept being that game really isn’t something that you have. When you know who you are and what you want you will have it, but it is intangible. In that sense, it isn’t the game that changes, it is only yourself.

But Matrix analogies are so overdone, and then this comment comes along. It is a description of posters in the Manosphere by a religious conservative as part of a half-assed apology related to a inter-blog kerfuffle. Something Sir Alec Guinnessy rang in my head. Due comments from an anonymous poster which implied that I have imbibed of the proverbial kool-aid and that talking to me was casting pearls before swine, I decided the only appropriate response was to agree and amplify.

Thus, welcome to Mos Eisley. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

I’m new to the Manosphere, and trying to wrap my brain around different factions. There are the pick-up artists, men going their own way, men’s rights advocates, red pill husbands and wives. I’m not too surprised that there is some interest in the red pill from traditional conservative circles, given their opposition to feminist liberalism. However, it seems to be an uneasy relationship due to the libertinism espoused by some pick-up artist types, and the humanism of those who examine sex roles from an evolutionary standpoint.

I’m neither conservative nor religious. I’m an atheist libertarian. I don’t believe in God or gods; certainly not the God of Abraham and Moses. I don’t pretend to have all the answers. But given the vastness of the universe, I find the idea of an anthropomorphic cosmic deity who concerns himself with the disposition of my naughty bits to be slightly daft. You will not find me saying that someone is formally cooperating with evil for not opposing gay marriage, or suggesting jail time for adulterers.

I guess that makes me a bad guy. Being a bad guy is better than being a nice guy! At least I’m not a doormat. But I digress.

I view this exchange in the context of shaming. The participants of Zippy’s blog are shaming Dalrock. They are telling him he is deficient in his religious beliefs. Dalrock portrays himself as a married Christian man, but that’s not good enough for some folks. They are rebuking him, saying he is engaged in wrong thinking, wrong doing, and keeping the company of undesirables such as myself. They’re saying he’s not a Christian, or not a good enough Christian, or whatnot.

I don’t see this in the context of feminism, I see this in the context of tribalism. Men engage in shaming behavior as well. In this case, Dalrock’s honor is being impugned. It may be possible to place this exchange within the context of game. One poster made the humorous comment:

On another note, has anyone noticed, whenever there is any sort of significant ideological dustup around these parts, it’s always instigated by a woman?

Or is it just me?

Helen of Troy did have the face that launched a thousand ships. If that isn’t power, I don’t know what is.

The regrettable part is, amid all the shaming and passive aggression (which are common tactics on mailing lists and message boards wherever codes of conduct apply yet people still want to poke others with a stick) kind of an interesting point has been lost. What I took away from the Cultural Marxism thread was:

Are Mano-bloggers really employing dialectical materialism? Is history really the product of the struggle between the sexes? I think it is a little funny, in trying to smear the Androsphere as pseudo-intellectual Zippy may have actually highlighted the opposite.

I have corrected the above post. I did not mean to suggest Zippy was pseudo intellectual. On his blog the sentence is missing an “as” between Androsphere and “pseudo-intellectual”. To continue…

The more I think about it, Zippy may have stumbled on an important truth. In his attempt to paint the Manosphere as pseudo-intellectual may have demonstrated the opposite. It’s been a long time since I’ve read anything philosophical and I am far from an expert on Hegelian dialectics, but analyzing the Battle of the Sexes in this way is a good thing. Viewing it as power politics, two forces competing, where there is tension that leads to a resolution, and that resolution leads to a new conflict, is looking at the Battle of the Sexes through the lens of dialectics. It’s just a philosophical tool that dates back to Socrates. Emphasizing “cultural Marxism” really is just an ad hom. I’m assuming Zippy is anti-Socialist. I know nothing about his politics, but his use of Marxism in this context is clearly meant to be an insult. It distracts from the fact that people are looking critically at feminist power in society.

I think that’s what the Manosphere is about, looking at the Battle of the Sexes in a fresh light, whether that be through the lens of Hegelian dialectics or the biological evolution of sex roles and the signals received by the paleomammalian brain.

11 thoughts on “a cesspool of commenters who are incapable of being civil and who litter the landscape with profanity, porn, and other jackassery

  1. Erudite Knight

    I agree. I am fairly new too, about a year. There are a lot of factions. I am not sure what I consider myself. Definately not a pua, because I did that for a bit but it was far to shallow for me. A lot of MRA seem overly emotional for staying power. MGTOW is pretty good, but again seems like they got burned too hard to be taken seriously.

    Idk, I generally just want to expose the hypocrisy for what we live in.

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      1. gregariouswolf Post author

        Hi EK,

        I have two widgets on my bar, one is “Blogs I Follow” which is a dynamically generated list of blogs that I have mashed the “Follow” button for. The other is called “Blogroll” and it is a static list of links. I’ve renamed mine to be called “External Links”.

    1. gregariouswolf Post author

      I don’t quite know what to consider myself either. I’m just going to go my own way wherever that may lead.

      I’ve seen the term “inner game” used to mean a kind of personal self-improvement from a masculine perspective. That was the original theme of this blog. It still is. I may go back to “There is no game. It is only yourself that changes.” at some point. For now, my little corner of the blogsphere is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

      To contrast that, the pick-up artistry guys are more about outer game. I find it interesting. I’m not an international playboy, but what is interesting is that they have through a process of trial and error identified a pattern of mating signals that seem to speak to the paleomammalian brain of human females. Now, game doesn’t work universally, because we’re highly intelligent social mammals. We’re not insects programmed to react to pheromones. But, there is something to be said for outward mating displays, body language, visual cues, tone of voice, verbal banter. It is easy to demonstrate this through the converse. A schlub who won’t look a woman in the eye and mumbles is not sexy.

      Regarding men going their own way, I think this refers to an anti-marriage kind of movement. I don’t know that much about these guys. I am divorced, and yes my credit did take a hit.

      The men’s rights movement I can get on board with. This is fairly easy to understand that some bias exists in family courts, and in a perfect world civil rights would be equivalent.

      And then there is the social conservative interest in the red pill. That’s what this series of posts has been about. I am participating in it as an outsider. I’m not a religious person and don’t believe in God. I am not left wing though.

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  2. Farm Boy

    Be careful, George Lucas may come after you. He did not get so rich by being a good screenwriter.

    In the future, it may be Disney, they did not get rich by letting Mickey Mouse escape into the public domain.

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  3. Farm Boy

    I’ve seen the term “inner game” used to mean a kind of personal self-improvement from a masculine perspective. That was the original theme of this blog. It still is. I may go back to “There is no game. It is only yourself that changes.” at some point.

    What you refer to as “inner game” is the best way to go. That is how I operate. That said, the tricks as espoused by Mystery, Neil Strauss and others can work in the short run (which is often all that they care about).

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    1. gregariouswolf Post author

      That’s really what I’m about. Self-improvement, self-respect, maintaining boundaries. I figure if I do the requisite self-work, I’ll be a better man. A better person, you know. I won’t be a doormat, and I’ll have some things going for me that will attract someone to me. I’m about more than just notches in my belt, but I’m not opposed to getting some. I’m single.

      I do find the pick-up artistry mating cues to be interesting. Particularly making and maintaining eye contact. That’s really important for establishing dominance or even competency. I think some of these traits work in more than mating rituals. There is even some application to be found in the work place. Someone who mumbles and continually averts there eyes is not going to be looked at in the same way as someone who makes eye contact and speaks clearly. I think there may be some value in PUA in addressing social anxiety in some people.

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  4. Drama

    Thanks to EK for pointing you out to me.
    I personally don’t get to wrapped up in the labels of it all. We all understand the utter craptasticness that is the feminist worldview. Why try to box each other out when that’s exactly what the fems are doing in their own way. Everyone’s going to be different, that’s how the world is and always will be despite whatever social engineering is cooked up to counter it.
    I only vaguely know the difference between the groupings of the manosphere because I don’t really care if some guys do things differently. We’re all still on the same side and have seen the light so to speak.

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